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Microsoft has graciously decided to get rid of the Documents and Settings folder in favor of the new Users folder in Windows Vista. This is nice because not only is it faster to type but its a little more familiar for Unix/Linux users. The one thing I still would love to see in the Windows installer, however, is the ability to choose the location of this Users directory (and heck even rename it). Unfortunately MS does not provide us that ability by default. To get that ability you have to modify the actual Windows installer.

So what if you don't want to have to re-install the operating system? Maybe you just want to move your data to the place of your choosing without any serious modification to your system. There are a couple solutions out there people have already written about.
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  1. Change the location of each data folder (i..e Documents, Pictures, Music) individually using Windows explorer settings.
  2. Modify the Windows registry to reflect the new folder location
There are a couple of problems with these two solutions. The first solution means that you can only change specific folders such as Documents, Pictures, Music, etc. It doesn't solve the problem of moving hidden application data or other folders to the new location. It also becomes tedious to do so. Finally, if you want to move all of your user profiles to a new location each user must move the data their self. All in all its not really a solution to the problem.

While the second solution will work it is very dangerous to edit the Windows registry. Making even minor changes to the registry can render your entire system useless. I actually tried this method on Windows XP and was unable to get it working. The problem with editing the registry is that there are hundreds if not thousands of references to the profile folders within it and you may not find every one. Missing even one will prevent Windows or your software from working properly or even at all.

Thankfully I found an easier way.

This method requires that you use the Windows installation disc or use a WinPE 2.0 boot disc. To learn how to create a WinPE 2.0 disc go to http://www.msfn.org/board/lofiversion/index.php/t83722.html. Regardless of your choice you will need to get to the command prompt. If you are using the WinPE disc you should be immediately given a command prompt once it has finished booting. If you are using the Windows installation disc you can find instructions how on how to get to the command prompt at http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial147.html.

WARNING: The following can be dangerous to your system. As with any hack you should always fully back up your entire hard drive just in case anything goes horribly wrong. If something bad happens to your system don't blame me... I warned you ;)

For this example I am assuming that you want to relocate your Users directory to your D:\ drive. If you want to place it elsewhere, just change the commands accordingly. Now that you are at the command prompt, type the following commands followed by enter for each:
  1. xcopy /E /H /O /X /Y /I C:\Users D:\Users
  2. rmdir /S /Q C:\Users
  3. rmdir "C:\Documents and Settings"
  4. mklink /J C:\Users D:\Users
  5. mklink /J "C:\Documents and Settings" D:\Users
What you've done here is copied everything in the Users directory to the new location and then created an NTFS junction to the new location. You might also notice that Documents and Settings showed up again. You thought Vista got rid of it for good didn't you? Many applications are hard coded to use the Documents and Settings directory and do not know that Vista has changed this. To make sure these applications still work under Vista Microsoft cleverly created their own junction from the older Documents and Settings to their new Users. You might ask why is it necessary to do change the existing junction then. Well as I discovered myself NTFS for some reason has a bit of trouble with accessing a junction of a junction. So when I first attempted this hack I encountered problems.

You may now restart your computer and you should have successfully moved your entire Users directory to your new location. Congratulations!

Update: After some further testing i've discovered something interesting. When using xcopy to move the data files to a new location the special folder icons for Documents, Pictures, Searches, Music, etc. appear to be lost. Also, performance when booting up again may seem slightly slower at first. So instead of using xcopy I tried using a backup program like TruImage to backup the Users directory and then restore it in the location I desired. Using this kept all the special folder icons and the system appeared to be a bit more snappy at first bootup. So while the method described works just fine, for performance and aesthetic reasons I would say backup/restore your Users folder instead. Thus the steps would be as such:
  1. Backup C:\Users using a backup program
  2. Restore the C:\Users to your new desired location (example: D:\Users)
  3. Start WinPE or Windows Installation disc command prompt
  4. Using the command prompt
    1. rmdir /S /Q C:\Users
    2. rmdir "C:\Documents and Settings"
    3. mklink /J C:\Users D:\Users
    4. mklink /J "C:\Documents and Settings" D:\Users
  5. Restart

55 comments:

Rob King said...

Perhaps instead of XCOPY, you could try using ROBOCOPY which is now included in Vista by default. It has a /MIR switch which will mirror a source to a destination.

Akiva said...

Facing a similar situation as yours, I was inspired by what you wrote and managed to to take it a step further with great results. I wrote about it here.

jaka said...

What is the exact ROBOCOPY sintax for this operation?

is this1 ok?
robocopy C:\Users E:\Users /MIR /XJ

Mark said...

Hi - Just wanted to let you know that this seems to be working perfectly. I used the robocopy command to move all my files to the D drive. and then deleted the test account that I installed with and created a new user account. ALl the files were created in the right place.

Thanks again!

Mark said...

Update...
Just wanted to warn you that there's an issue using Vista's BackUp Utility with this solution.

Read the section under "Junction Points in Vista"

RW said...

I used robocopy in place of xcopy and almost everything worked fine. The only problem I'm having is that the history cache and favorites aren't working in IE 7. Any suggestions? I tried manually redirecting the cache with no luck. My user accounts in Vista were already created before I didi the move. Thanks.

zam said...

I'm not sure if I did this correctly but I now have two sets of identical user profiles that mirror each other - one in C:\Users\ and the other in D:\Users\

Any ideas on how I could possibly undo the steps that are outlined in the original post?

Unknown said...

I think people are misunderstanding the purpose of the /MIR switch. The mirror switch essentially synchronizes 2 directories. It will delete files from the destination that don't exist in the source. This isn't a problem for this application however if you want to perserve NTFS ACLs (Security Attributes) You will need to use the /COPYALL feature.

robocopy C:\Users D:\Users /E /COPYALL /XJ

Also the /XJ flag removes some junctions that exist in the C:\Users folder that you will need to recreate. Unfortunately you can't remove the /XJ as one of the junctions would produce an infinate loop.

Unknown said...

@zam
This is most likely working as expected. Does C:\Users have a arrow (shortcut) icon on it? If you create a file under D:\Users does it show up when you look in C:\Users?

If this is the case the files are on your D: drive, C:\Users is just a "fake" directory that points to D:\Users.

If you really want to undo I would imagine you would do the following
rmdir C:\Users
rmdir "C:\Documents and Settings"
xcopy /E /H /O /X /Y /I D:\Users C:\Users
rmdir /S /Q D:\Users
mklink /J "C:\Documents and Settings" C:\Users


You will have lost your Special Folder Icons, Junctions, and ACLs on "C:\Documents and Settings". But your OS will still work.

SHP said...

I seem to have a problem similar to zam. Here's the background. About 4 months ago I did used this solution. Specifically, I did the following:

1) Created a new partition (”d” ;) for my data.
2) Backed up up my drive (just in case).
3) Loaded the Windows Vista installation disk and got to the command prompt.
4) Once at the command prompt, I entered the following commands:

robocopy C:\Users D:\Users /MIR /E /XJ [Enter]
rmdir /S /Q C:\Users [Enter]
rmdir “C:\Documents and Settings” [Enter]
mklink /J C:\Users D:\Users [Enter]
mklink /J “C:\Documents and Settings” D:\Users [Enter]
The robocopy took about 15 minuted for 5 gigs worth of data. The other commands took no time at all.

5)I exited and rebooted.

Everything seemed fine. When I look at my C drive the "Users" and "Documents and Settings" folders have the arrows indicating the link to D.

However, some time ago my OS partition backups were suddenly larger. I hypothesized that somehow I was getting a true copy of what's on my D:Users director on the C drive.

When I select the C:Users folder, right click and choose "properties" it does not provide any location or size information. So, that seems correct. HOWEVER, when I select "C:Documents and Settings", right click and choose properties it states that this directory is located on the C drive and is 12 gigs in size (the exact size of my D:Users directory). In other words it seems as though I've got a similar problem to zam except that I don't have a copy in my C:Users directory. Instead it seems to be in my C:Documents and Settings.

Any ideas. The only thing I've done recently was to create a new account for my wife. The account appears in all three directories (e.g. D:Users, C:Users and D:Documents and Settings) as do all of my other accounts.

SHP said...

An update:
I've done some more experimenting and it may be that I'm simply going crazy. I created a text document and saved it under my D:Users folder. It appears there and under C:Users and C:Documents and Settings. When I deleted the file it also disappeared from those directories. So, I'm not entirely sure if these files really exist on the C drive after all. It may simply be that the link is so fundamental that even a disk analysis will treat the documents as if they are there. I don't know.

Jesh said...

By using this way, is it possible normal user can access admin user folder?

Vincs said...

Hey there!
I've moved my C:\Users to D:\Users under ubuntu and my icons and so disappear.
Is there a way to make it clean now without formatting my computer again?

Anonymous said...

Is there a simple way to restore the folder icons? I know it's just eyecandy but it really bothers me... :/

Unknown said...

I have a question. I applied this technique on a fresh install less than 2 weeks ago and it was working fine.
But, since I was still in the process of migrating all my apps etc to my new pc, I did not in that short period create a backup of my system drive.
Unfortunately, after less than 2 weeks of use my Intel SSD which contains my boot partition, failed. I tried recovering the partition with knoppicillin but it failed.
I will return my SSD but I am considering the use one of my SATA disks in the meantime to host a system partition, to avoid being out of business for too long.

The question I have is the following: Can I reinstall windows and redirect it to my existing Users folder? Should I first recreate all the users on the new system partition? I'm worried that Vista will keep unique user id's or so in its registry and therefore the remapping is far from trivial.

Tx in advance

Koen

Daryl Knight said...
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Daryl Knight said...

Thanks for your guide. However, I've just tried this on a fresh install and unfortunately all I got was a 2 minute message after booting saying "preparing desktop" then it loaded with a black background and a popup message in the taskbar saying "Your user profile was not loaded correctly"

Any ideas?

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